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Sven Roeder 2:45 Fri Jan 9
Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

First private firm to manage an NHS hospital says it wants to withdraw from its contract.
Could all the ideological gurus please line up to tell us how this is someone else's fault.

gph 3:09 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

I suspect that this was due to get splatted.

Not because it's a shit thread, but because it's aimed at people who prefer to ignore inconvenient facts.

Bouncing Ludo 3:13 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

This is my local hospital and it's a disgrace that Circle can turn their backs on it because they're not making enough money.

It's by far the cleanest, most efficient hospital I've ever been in. Since it went private, any appointments me and the mrs have had have never been more than 5 minutes late. When she needed an MRI scan, the appointment was at 8pm so that it was a) convenient and b) within a month of it being requested. Many years ago I had an MRI scan at Oldchurch and was told that the waiting time for urgent cases was at least 6 weeks.

Last year it was voted as one of the best, if not the best, hospital in the country by patients, yet I understand the CQC report due shortly is critical of the hospital, which possibly says more about the CQC than the hospital.

Claret Badger 3:14 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

Thatchers/Majors/Blairs/Browns/Camerons Britain!

1964 3:28 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

I had an MRI scan on the NHS within 3 days. I was refereed to a private MRI scanning centre by the NHS.

Fantastic.

After8 3:47 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

I can tell you that this was the labours party doing.

The Tories have never privatised a hospital and never will.

Despite labours scare stories we never have and don't you think if we wanted to privatise all the hospitals we would have done it by now considering thatcher had massive majorities and we currently have the lib dems in our back pocket.

I mean after all if we are so evil we created the bedroom tax don't you think we would have gone the whole hog and sold every hospital on eBay by now?

Or could it be that we don't want to privatise everything that moves?

gph 4:37 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

Election - May 2010
Circle take over, November 2011

Have I missed two elections, one where Labour came to power for just long enough to put this through, and another one where the Coalition got back in?

Try and spin it as not-really-privatisation if you want to get out of this, A8, not that Labour did it.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:57 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

Next up:

gph explains using the same argument how it was Thatcher that got rid of the grammar schools, not Shirley Williams.

Coming soon:

'Nasty Tories' - gph tells us why anyone who disagrees is thick or wicked.

gph 5:16 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

No, Labour was in power, when Shirley did her stuff.

Labour wasn't in power when the Circle contract was awarded.

Can you spot the difference?

yngwies Cat 5:17 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

That worked.

, 5:23 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

8games what was the conservative minister of Health's involvement in early 2012 when Circle took on Hinchinbrooke?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 5:37 Fri Jan 9
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gph 5:16 Fri Jan 9

There is no difference. The rules for the bidding process and the soliciting of the bids happened under Labour. The incoming administration was left with no option but to award the contract under the agreed rules. Particularly since the NHS had pulled its bid.

gph 5:46 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

A pathetic excuse.

"They made us do it".

And the fact remains, the coalition did it.

And claimed credit for it, when it seemed to be working: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9444500/A-revolution-on-the-wards-that-could-heal-our-public-services.html

overbyyer 6:11 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote...

Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital
gph 5:16 Fri Jan 9

There is no difference. The rules for the bidding process and the soliciting of the bids happened under Labour. The incoming administration was left with no option but to award the contract under the agreed rules. Particularly since the NHS had pulled its bid.




I see you are talking bollocks again.

There is no binding contact until the contract is signed.

Circle may well have defaulted to Preferred Bidder because of a lack of alternative bidders, but the government could have pulled it any time up to the contract date. Circle could then have claimed for abortive bid costs but thats all.

The NHS is part of a government department - they would have been obliged to continue to operate the hospital as it had done since it was opened in the 1980's.

It was clearly a snide way of testing the water for NHS privatisation - they can now blame the previous government for the collapse of the deal.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 6:44 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

overbyyer 6:11 Fri Jan 9

'There is no binding contact until the contract is signed.'


You think? Remind me about the compensation payments that resulted from the West Coast Mainline biding cock-up.

Or didn't that happen?

, 6:50 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

The coalition government was formed in May 2010. It had two years to look at and act on the Hinchingbrooke issue.

Nobody else to blame but themselves.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 6:52 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

So, in short, the argument put forward by Overbuyer and gph is that because the Tories did not waste millions of pounds renaging on a privatisation deal set up by Labour, it is them, not Labour who are responsible for the privatisation.

Furthermore, this failure to halt a Labour privatisation is evidence of their own agenda to force through privatisation by stealth against Labour opposition.

Brilliant stuff!

, 6:53 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

Well the first bloke to definitely apportion blame was 8games.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 6:54 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

Ha! ',' pops up to associate himself with the stupidity.

, 6:54 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

You'll need to explain that.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 6:55 Fri Jan 9
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital

I don't think I need to say any more, do I? It's perfectly clear.

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